# Pedigree Author: Grodan I think it´s such a waste when I´ve wrote pedigree for my mice over 10 years, sell pedigree-mice to people who don´t continue to write pedigrees when they breed. What do you think? Is it common, or are people in your country proud to breed pedigree mice? ## Comment 1 Author: Lee I do it too. I think it's the best way to find something when it comes to higher up in the line... Many people don't see the interest... I do personnally. Recently I've had a problem : a male had some unknow hillness genetically given to babies. We didn't know. I had a baby from him... So I told averyone who had mice from me : if XXX is on your pedigree, please do not reproduce the mice... Easier than to check up who had a baby from him, or a baby of a baby form him... ## Comment 2 Author: Grodan Exactly! Pedigree is a great tool when you are working with sicknesses and geneticly defects. But even as a value to the mouse. A mouse with a pedigree has given a higher value than a mouse without pedigree. I think! And it´s such a waste when mice with pedigree that goes back a long time are breed on and the offspring doesn´t become a pedigree. ## Comment 3 Author: Floo I agre with You. If you treat breeding serious you wrote pedigrees for mice. In Pl Show Mice (with pedigree) have appeared  in 2002/2003 year, breeders had to be member of MCP, and this assocacion issue pedigrees like Dog, Cats Clubs, It was hard to use mice without pedigree (we could if mice was from abroad and have show type with rare colour) Now we have new Mice Club - Polish Mouse Club, breeders wrote peedigres for themselves, but we still have to register litter and mice in PMC. We gets from Club own stamps with stud name :-) ## Comment 4 Author: Lee That's nice, I'd like us to have the same ![Fundersam](../tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-undecided.gif) How do you record a litter? How can they prove it's the same mice as on the paper? Because they're not tatooed are they? ## Comment 5 Author: Floo No, they arent tatooed, we don't use chip or we don't cut fingers (like in labaratories :() We meets on show or in home and look for litters (but not all), we only could check "genetical" part of peedigre. I Poland are very often small mouseries, they  have 3-10 mice, one - two have 40-50 mice. ## Comment 6 Author: Grodan So you´ve started a new club in Poland? Or do you have two clubs? The Swedish Mouse Club also have registration of mice - for members and breeders in club. We give every mouse a number. We rely on people being honest of course because we don´t chip mice. Can it be done? ![Förvånad](../tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-surprised.gif) And why? I don´t have any problem yet whit identyfing my mice. But of course there is always the question when I have 10 identical mice how to se difference betwen them. So far I´ve cut fur and put in separate cages with nametags on. ## Comment 7 Author: Lee You can also use food dye (?) to recognize them ![Flört](../tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif) ## Comment 8 Author: Floo Now we have one Club. Ofcourse Grodan I also don't have problem with identyfing my mice, but prove that is the same mice as on peedigre is quite hard withouy tato and chip ;) ## Comment 9 Author: Grodan #7 food dye? How do you tatto your mice? In the ear? With dots? I saw tattos on degus - blue (real ink) colored dots. We have never done anything to see difference betwen mice, here in Sweden. Not anything that for ever will change the appearance of the mice, only small things like cutting a bit fur here and there looking for things that separate/divorce the mice from each other for example some injury of any kind (on tail or ear etc). ## Comment 10 Author: Lee Well food  dye doesn't stay for a long time ![Flört](../tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif) It's not a forever change... As we often save mice from labs ("'surplus" unused, used for comportemental observation, ...). Someone I Know tried to put a "clip" on the ear of a rat (as for guinea pigs) but it damaged the ear :( ## Comment 11 Author: Grodan And it hurts... Clip in ear! In laboratory they have a little thing they cut small holes in the mice ears to separate them from eachother. That also hurts, but it´s very small holes and you can cut on the edge of the ear. If it´s done quickly the mouse will not feel soo much, i hope. The "thing" you cut with is very expensive, but I think I can fix one if I want to... ## Comment 12 Author: TacoBelle "Food dye" (karamellfärg) Smart idea to separate similar looking animals in a cage. ## Comment 13 Author: Grodan AH!!! But not pour water on them... all "food dye" will go off... ![Förvånad](../tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-surprised.gif)