# transport from sweden to czech Author: soria Hello, my friend is going to Sweden by car/bus from czech rep. So I am looking for mousery where have nice show mice: chinchilla, brindle, blue burmese, ssp/sbp, merle, roan, rumpwhite, reverse siamese with coat sh, lh, abbysinian or astrex(double rex) or lh astrex (texel), possible fox but prefer self. If you intereting it, pls write me mail on soriinka@gmail,com with yours info. Ty ## Comment 1 Author: Grodan Hello Soria and welcome! ![Skrattande](http://mus.ifokus.se/js/lib/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-laughing.gif "Skrattande") When is your friend coming to Sweden? ## Comment 2 Author: soria Ty :) my friends travel to sweden next year, i dont know date, only month - january. Maybe i arrieve too. I want buy any fancy mouses from other countries, becouse we have problem with new blood, nice or missing varieties ![:(](http://www.fancymicebreeders.com/phpBB3/images/smilies/icon_e_sad.gif "Sad") There isnt many ppl who have some hobby as i or my friends and that is why i looking for others. Its hard find any swedich mousery in google :/ ## Comment 3 Author: Grodan #2 Aha, but you found this site via google? Not many Swedish breeders have homepages in English. You can find some breeders on Facebook. I´m not on FB so I can´t say more about it. Were in Sweden are your friend going to travel? What city is she/he going to? ## Comment 4 Author: Viry #3 Actually, they found it through me. ![Flört](http://mus.ifokus.se/js/lib/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-wink.gif "Flört") I figured they might as well ask here, seeing as they're coming to Sweden and all and you have an English section. ^^ ## Comment 5 Author: Grodan #4 Right. Forgot if you google "mouse" there will be like no hit for this page, but if you google "mus" (the Swedish word for mouse) this page will be like number two on the hitlist (number one is wikipedia)... soria, do you have a homepage? Would love to see it. ![Skrattande](http://mus.ifokus.se/js/lib/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-laughing.gif "Skrattande") ## Comment 6 Author: [Borttaget] Hi there! I've been where you live many times on vacation. It is avery nice country, but it is way too hot there. I was dying when I was there last time. Hahaha Frå(o)ggish! Do you remember when I said that we'll not need the english section because it is only Danish people and the others that're hanging out here? Do you? Well... I was wrong;) Hahaha ## Comment 7 Author: Grodan #6 Yeah, I remember. I actually thought about deleting it just a couple of hours ago... I´m glad I didn´t ![Skrattande](http://mus.ifokus.se/js/lib/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-laughing.gif "Skrattande") ## Comment 8 Author: soria Viry told me about this page :) Well, my situation is complicate, i had mousery 2 years ago and later from personal reason ended. For next year i want start again, finally XD that is why i have my page in recontruction now. But there is cze mice club if u want [http://www.czmc.cz/](http://www.czmc.cz/) and there offers from others [http://mpo.wbs.cz](http://mpo.wbs.cz/) (krecek is hamster, mysky are mouses and potkani are rats) And where will be in sweden my friends idk now. But i asked her and waiting for answer. ## Comment 9 Author: soria any my last photos :x http://i40.tinypic.com/4nk49.jpg http://i41.tinypic.com/16gy7gi.jpg ## Comment 10 Author: soria Btw isnt problem mouses exchange from other mousery which are there.. ## Comment 11 Author: Grodan #8 Nice to see the links. I looked around a bit there. You got really nice Show mice in Czech. #9 Nice. #10 I didn´t understand that. ![Foten i munnen](http://mus.ifokus.se/js/lib/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-foot-in-mouth.gif "Foten i munnen") ## Comment 12 Author: kimky sorry found it difficult to look at the links since i didn't understand the words. but the things i did press and the pics that came up where really nice and the pics you but out here where lovely ^^ ## Comment 13 Author: Camillhe I think Soria means that if you want to exchange mice with the mouserys on the links, that shouldnt be a problem. (correct me if Im wrong Soria) ## Comment 14 Author: soria yes :x but all mouserys are there [http://www.czmc.cz/index.php?option=com\_contact&view=categories&id=0&Itemid=143](http://www.czmc.cz/index.php?option=com_contact&view=categories&id=0&Itemid=143) . Only click on links. 99% ppl have website. I still waiting for answer about an city... :( ## Comment 15 Author: Grodan #14 Oh, that is great. I would love to exchange mice. Unfortunatly I don´t think I have anything of your interest. My mice are not the best of Show Standard today. About what you want * chinchilla - we don´t have many, if any at all * brindle - we only have Splash in Sweden * blue burmese - no problem finding some * ssp/sbp - no problem finding some * merle - we don´t have any in Sweden * roan- we don´t have any in Sweden * rumpwhite- we don´t have any in Sweden * reverse siamese - no problem finding some * lh - no problem finding some * abbysinian - can maybe be difficult to find, I think 2 breeders have Aby * Astrex - no problem finding some * Texel - no problem finding some ## Comment 16 Author: [Borttaget] #15 What? Who have reversed siamese? ## Comment 17 Author: Grodan #16 Reversed Siamese is aac(e)c(e) Many got them. I got one female that I´m willing to exchange. ![Skrattande](http://mus.ifokus.se/js/lib/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-laughing.gif "Skrattande") ## Comment 18 Author: StillaSinnet Hello :) I don't think I can help you...but you can visit my [home page](http://www.blackvelvets.dinstudio.se/) to take a look at my breeding stock. There is a chans for available mice in revers siamese, BE cr, pew, splash, black, all in short hair is it possiblefor you to bring mice to Sweden during your trip? ## Comment 19 Author: soria not many, but yes, i can, but tell me, what you want, coz i must ask other mousery/friends. I havent litters now :) ## Comment 20 Author: Grodan Here is the Reversed Siamese female I mentioned before. Unfortunatly not the best photo... sorry ## Comment 21 Author: soria Interesting.. i read "The genotype of Reverse Siamese mice isn't fully known". What you do for it? How did you get this mice? I try it 2 years ago but nothing. Coffee + siamese and cream too? ## Comment 22 Author: StillaSinnet revers siamese is a/a c(e)/c(e). When I breed BE cream AKA Bone I usulay make c(e)/c + c(e)/c parings (bone+bone) and I always get both cc and c(e)/c(e). These two bucks are from Kent ivarsen in Sweden. Not as  dark as the female Grodan showed in #20, but they are still young and I think their colour are going to get darker. (They are mine, not for sale, but commin in sweden) ## Comment 23 Author: soria omg bone didnt have many breeders there xD But will be better if i combine reverse+reverse i think so, what missing there are: * lilac, lilac sable * reverse siamese * merle * roan * manx * argente cream * chinchilla * blue sable * brindle * rumpwhite * dutch * silver brown, silver fawn, silver grey * pearl but argente havent many breders and i really want buy merle, roan, reverse, chinchilla, bringle, any rosette :p But like blue burmese/burmese, ssp/sbp, blue, extreme black - it was my spec. ## Comment 24 Author: StillaSinnet #23 argente and argente cream are bred by Elin Mattsson in Sweden. She may have some...? I don't know if I have any pearls available for you in time...my pearls are "silvered Blue" (a/a d/d B/b si/si) from Finland. You can see one of them in my avatar ## Comment 25 Author: StillaSinnet Elin Mattson has mice [for sale](http://mus.ifokus.se/discussions/4edd1689d4ebea6000002ab3-vattnadal-saljer-honor#discussions-1) ## Comment 26 Author: Grodan #23 * Chinchilla - we don´t have many, if any at all * Brindle - we only have Splash in Sweden * Blue Burmese - no problem finding some * Siamese - no problem finding some * Merle - we don´t have any in Sweden * Roan- we don´t have any in Sweden * Rumpwhite- we don´t have any in Sweden * Reverse Siamese - no problem finding some * Longhair - no problem finding some * Abbysinian (Rosette) - can maybe be difficult to find, I think 2 breeders have Aby * Astrex - no problem finding some * Texel - no problem finding some * Manx - we don´t have any in Sweden and will propably never have * Lilac - no problem finding some * Lilac and Blue Sable - can be hard to find, not many breed A(Y) * Argente Cream - no problem finding * Dutch - no problem finding, but maybe not very good * Silver brown, Silver fawn, Silver grey and Pearl - Artlink and maybey someone else got these * Argente - no problem finding some ## Comment 27 Author: soria i studying more about reverse and our standard is as polish, so must be as there [http://hiiret.fi/eng/breeding/varieties/reverse\_siamese.html](http://hiiret.fi/eng/breeding/varieties/reverse_siamese.html) ## Comment 28 Author: soria anyone have unstand. sepia color? ## Comment 29 Author: Grodan #27 The Reversed Siames I´ve seen have been aac(e)c(e). It's likely there can be some polygenes involved that makes the points lighter. But it´s not any himalaya-gene involved. c(e) - extreme dilution is a very common gene in Sweden. ## Comment 30 Author: Grodan #28 Yes, we do have some. Many call them Chocolate, Coffee or Stone... They can be aac(ch)c(ch) or aac(ch)c(e) ## Comment 31 Author: soria uf but sepia isnt some as chocolate, coffe or stone O.o  Btw, we havent coffee, for us is it very bad chocolate. And sepia or stone i saw only there: [http://hiiret.fi/pics/sepia.jpg](http://hiiret.fi/pics/sepia.jpg) sepia [http://hiiret.fi/pics/Rimaginaryfriend.jpg](http://hiiret.fi/pics/Rimaginaryfriend.jpg) stone ## Comment 32 Author: Grodan #31 Yes it is. Many can´t see differens between Chocolate, Burmese, Coffee, Stone, Nougat, Beige and so on (many names of these "Joker"-colors). That´s why I wrote "Many call them"... I guess half of all Chocolates in Sweden are in fact Black diluted by the chinchilla-gene and/or extreme dilution. The problem is that these colors are not in any Standard, and what we call them is not global. Some call them Falsh Black or Falsh Chocolate. I told you the genotyp of some in #30. There is an fact more genotypes The Sepia you linked to is propably aac(ch)c(ch) ## Comment 33 Author: Grodan Sorry if I sounded rude in any way, was not my intention ![Skrattande](http://mus.ifokus.se/js/lib/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-laughing.gif "Skrattande") ## Comment 34 Author: soria Np :p ## Comment 35 Author: Grodan Great! ![Skrattande](http://mus.ifokus.se/js/lib/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-laughing.gif "Skrattande") So have you found any mice yet? And do you know what date your friend will come over and what she is travelling to? ## Comment 36 Author: soria well... january is very problematic month. We will be maybe only any himalayan :( i have question for you, coz they many ppl who breed splashed are angry.. Do you cross splashed with siamese seal? I read smt about it and this combination is very very bad. Do you have any experiance with it? ## Comment 37 Author: soria .. i forgot. No, know nothing, i told with friend, but she know what i, lol... ## Comment 38 Author: StillaSinnet #36 I don't breed splash _with_ siamese, but when i bought my first splash and tricolors from Roland Fischer they already had the himalaya gene c(h). I do what I can to out bred my lines witg c(e)/c(e) to create splash without a/a c(h)/c(\*), but it's hard... I have lots of splash with aa c(e)/c(h). a/a c(e)/c(h) are called colorpoint in Sweden, In US they use c(ch), c(e) and c(h) to make the bodycolor lighter. Rolands tris and splash comes from US. (Colors like beige, burmese, siamses, himalayan, color point, stone, coffee, revers siamses and all these c-lokus varieties) Almost every splash have points here now. Look att this picture. My blue splash female X-mas with her girlbabies. Theh pew is not  pew...You can see her darker nose and after a few more weeks she got nice shaddings so she is a siamese... ## Comment 39 Author: Grodan #36 Haha, why are ppl angry?![Tungan ute](http://mus.ifokus.se/js/lib/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-tongue-out.gif "Tungan ute") I don´t like angry (or mean) ppl. ![Rynkar på näsan](http://mus.ifokus.se/js/lib/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-frown.gif "Rynkar på näsan") Any way I don´t see how you can be angry for mating Splash with Siamese. My Splash female, from Chilloutarea´s Mousery, was in fact a Siamese Seal Point...  ![Flört](http://mus.ifokus.se/js/lib/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-wink.gif "Flört") I never get angry even if I see that people are doing choices I never would do. I actually done a temperament breeding last month: a Champagne Tan Shorthair with a Blue Point Siamese Astrex. A combination you could cry about, but I did only look on behavior and temperament. ## Comment 40 Author: soria i read and show [http://www.afrma.org/c-c\_splashed.htm](http://www.afrma.org/c-c_splashed.htm). Hh, they wanted kill me Problem with ssp will be if new member bought ssp with genes for splashed, but he wont know about it. Later ssp cross with black and will see spotted litters(he want only ssp). Or if he bought ssp and mouse will be spotted next year xD This is my experience about it and new members :/ Ppl dont say and dont show pedigree, only after transaction. Roland have nice mice as no one, but very expensive for us. We havent Euro and our mice cost max 150kc = 6 euro :) Mice from poland cost max 250kc = 12 Euro. Roland have one for 30Euro = 750Kc without transport. xD But maybe buy one or two merle. I will see after Xmas :) ## Comment 41 Author: Grodan #40 I can´t see that as a big problem. First of all you can always check the pedigree. If one of the parents are Splash, yeah then 50% of the offspring will be Splash. I have not yet seen a so poor Splash, that you cannot see the splashes, especially not in adults (kittens can of course have paler splashes). Siamese also get very dark Splashes... You can sell the Splash you don´t want from that "surprise"-litter. Splash are sooo popular!!! And they are beautiful. ## Comment 42 Author: soria hehe :) I dont like splashed, accept only tri :p Roland have very nice tricolors XD i dont like 99% spotted mice, but love merle and pointed x) ## Comment 43 Author: Grodan #42 Cool. Not many ppl say that. I have to admit I don´t like all Splashes, but some are sure wonderful. But the Tricolors I don´t give much for, sorry. Merle is lovely. ## Comment 44 Author: soria Merle are beautiful! :) ## Comment 45 Author: Grodan Swedish mice are about 12 euro, but you will get one mouse for one mouse (exchange). ![Skrattande](http://mus.ifokus.se/js/lib/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-laughing.gif "Skrattande") (Except maybe for Splash, they go for 35 euro or 3-4 mice) Have you found any mice yet? ## Comment 46 Author: soria haha, there everybody have splashed, only two ppl no (me and friend) xD smt is there: [http://www.kralici.cz/mysky/alba.asp?a=1397&page=2](http://www.kralici.cz/mysky/alba.asp?a=1397&page=2) [http://www.semisovamys.estranky.cz/clanky/vrhy---litters/aktualni.html](http://www.semisovamys.estranky.cz/clanky/vrhy---litters/aktualni.html) ## Comment 47 Author: Grodan What do you mean with smt? ## Comment 48 Author: soria something :x ## Comment 49 Author: soria ok, other flame on forum... about Re genes we know only astrex (or lh astrex), but what is texel, rex and caracul? texel is only lh astrex for me, but someone trolling me about genes. Is it ressive with other genes? caracul: dont know rex: bad astrex? i read something about bad curly astrex: i read about it "doubled rex", mean more curly (no as with rats) why world dint have some standard :( ## Comment 50 Author: Grodan **Rex** - I learned this year that the fur we call **Fuzzy** now is the "old Rex". We never had Rex in Sweden before, it was long gone when we started our Club and we could only view Rex mice on old pictures. **Fuzzy** - recessive. Like rex in rats, can go bold. Genetic: fz/fz **Texel** - we call Astrex Longhair for Texel. Genetic: ReRegogo **Astrex** - the most common dominant curly fur. Genetics: Re/\* **Caracul** - dominant curly fur, another gene than Astrex. Genetics: Ca/\* ## Comment 51 Author: soria New info about rex now, lol. This is rex how write CB, live in USA:  [http://www.flickr.com/photos/stinaksu/2718072137/in/set-72157617530420053](http://www.flickr.com/photos/stinaksu/2718072137/in/set-72157617530420053) So what is it, if no rex? Frizzy? XD and frizzy Fr/\* is in usa Btw, yes, our standard know only astrex or lh astrex(nobody use word texel). ## Comment 52 Author: Grodan Doesn´t look like the Rex I´ve seen pictures of. But actually that mouse has such a disturbing furcolor I can´t see much. If you go look at some Fuzzy with lots of fur, that´s how Rex is described in the literature. ## Comment 53 Author: soria o know how look fuzzy (fuzz in czech), but problem is with frizzy and caracul ## Comment 54 Author: Grodan Well, Frizzy I don´t know at all. Only seen on photos on the net and it sure looks Frizzzzzzie... like small curvie curls zzzzz ![Skrattande](http://mus.ifokus.se/js/lib/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-laughing.gif "Skrattande") \*LOL\* Caracul is almost like Astrex. I think only difference is that whiskers are straight at Caracul. ## Comment 55 Author: soria my brain exploding... :D ## Comment 56 Author: Grodan So keep to plain Shorthair and your brain wont explode... hehe ## Comment 57 Author: Grodan Check out Sorias lovely homepage: [http://lovelymouse.eu/](http://lovelymouse.eu/) ## Comment 58 Author: soria news: Ok i know destinations. It will be one of Helsingborg, Göterborg, Halmstad, Uddevalla or Varberg ## Comment 59 Author: Grodan #58 Great! Do you also have a date? There is a Mouse Show near Göteborg in February... ## Comment 60 Author: soria we dont know date... still waiting. But its isnt our mistake. As i said friend waiting for other rattery. I dont know where and how day are markets with animals but around 2.april we travel to Holland.. ## Comment 61 Author: soria If someone want to arrive to czech, the big shows with many animals will be on 21-22.10. (we will be only on 20.10.) * rabbits, poultry, pigeons * exotic birds * guinea pigs * nutria * chinchillas * ornamental duck * goat, pig * ponies, horses * rats * mouse maybe more (its new year) [](http://www.zahrada.cech.cz/vystava/2011/ceska-vystava-drobneho-hospodarskeho-zvirectva)[http://www.zahrada.cech.cz/vystava/2012/ceska-vystava-drobneho-hospodarskeho-zvirectva](http://www.zahrada.cech.cz/vystava/2012/ceska-vystava-drobneho-hospodarskeho-zvirectva) you can arrange for accommodation in area or in city(or you can sleep at friend xD)Litoměřice. http://g.co/maps/8cntb